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it was released in 1977. do with it what you want. not trying to make any feel old. what seems to be his facebook page or someone who coincide coincidentally has the same name, is a music fan. his tastes run to grateful dead, so not sure the hansen theories hold any water. the only thing i can imagine is when he changed his name, he wanted attention. so congratulations. mission accomplished on the riduculist. that does it for us. see you at 10:00. another edition of "360" new hampshire primaries beginning a couple hours away at midnight. piers morgan starts now. tonight, down to the wire in new hampshire. >> the entire nation looks to new hampshire to see what it decides. >> the real battle is for second place. >> governor romney enjoys firing people.
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i enjoy creating jobs. >> we win elections when people are excited who to vote for. >> governor romney is in fact a massachusetts moderate. >> his two biggest supporters, his daughters and his top advisors what the candidate really meant men he said this. >> i like being able to fire people. >> and sometime tierrist, peter o'rourke tells me there is something funny about this campaign. it's the economy, stupid and nobody knows the economy better than jack well etch. i'll ask him what he thinks of the republican race. and filmmaker ed burns, how he used twitter to make his new movie. this is piers morgan tonight. good evening. all eyes on new hampshire, a state known for knock downing front runners. there seems to be little chance for that with manufacturer holding a 33% lead. ron paul with 20% and jon huntsman and newt gingrich are
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not far behind. and rick tan tor rum at 10% and rick perry at 1%. what does this mean? a top romney supporter and former governor of new hampshire, and the funniest writer in america and hails from new hampshire himself, political satirist, p.j. o'rourke. let me start with you, john sununu. it would appear, mitt romney is in a good position. however, being the front-runner can be a poison chalist. we are seeing a slight softening in polls and massive acceleration in aggression from opponents. are you feeling a little wobbly? >> you know, obama was 13 points ahead when hillary clinton beat him last time, 13 points ahead the night before. so in new hampshire, we know people can change their minds very late, so you're always a little nervous until you see the results of the election. >> mitt romney is currently polling 33%, roughly what he
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polled at last time he tried in new hampshire and came second. although everyone keeps calling him the apparently obvious winner of this race, it would seem it may not be quite so clear cut. would you accept that? >> sure. i accept anything that is realistic and understands anything can happen in new hampshire. the real measure of what the result is, is after the result comes in. too many people are trying to be predictive or trying to pretend they have a knowledge they don't have. i have been around long enough to know, you work until the very last minute, which the governor is doing. he had events tonight. he'll have walk around and talk to people tomorrow as much as he can. and you keep working unt until -- until the polls close. then you are allowed to exhale just a little bit and then you get ready to go to south carolina. >> he definitely caught a little flak today for what his pursuers
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called major gaffe. let's take a look at what he said. >> i want individuals to have their own insurance. that means the insurance company will have an incentive to keep you healthy. it also means if you don't like what they do, you can fire them. i like being able to fire people that provide services to me. >> what was your reaction to that? you're a new hampshire man. was it a gaffe or saying the obvious? >> yes. he said the obvious and ouch, sometimes that hurts. all it made me feel was i wish i had somebody to fire, being self-employed, the only person i can fire is me. well, i do frequently. >> but you have insurance, p.j. >> fire your insurance man. >> i am not firing my insurance man. they treat me pretty well. i actually like my insurance company. coming back to the polling thing, when people call us in new hampshire, when they call is in the middle of dinnertime, make us get up from the table and go answer our wall mounted
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phones in new hampshire, we tell them lies. you don't want to listen to polling too much in new hampshire. >> if i was spor to put you on the spot to say who are you supporting, do you have a candidate that has your eye? >> yes. but i may not vote for him, being a new hampshirite and therefore unpredictable. i'm going with romney because i'm looking at this line of candidates and waiting for ron paul's skull to explode and the tentac tentacled thing to come out from inside there, waiting for newt to blow up like the blowfish in "finding nemo." i'm looking at rick perry, the non-smoker's marlboro man. i'm looking at these. i may vote for huntsman just to send romney the message, look, we got another romney out there, okay? if you mess up, you can be replaced. you are fungible.
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>> the only saving grace we have. >> john, isn't this part of the problem with new hampshire, iowa is iowa, and they had their moment and it was very very close and very exciting. new hampshire likes to take itself a bit more seriously, they would argue, when it comes to these things and be more unpredictable and indeed trick the balloon of anybody they think is getting a little bit too super confident and complacent. >> well, look, new hampshire also rewards people for working hard. governor romney has been here quit a bit. he has worked hard for the republican party, worked hard supporting republican candidates and even though we like to suggest that this thing is going to close down quite a lot over the last few hours, the fact is that he did build up an honestly earned base in the state. >> i've lived in new hampshire for a long time and i do what the governor tells me to do. >> the only problem we have is that -- the only problem we have
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is he might misspell the x. >> let me -- >> this is entirely true. >> let me leave you, p.j., with a final word on this. do you think whoever wins the nomination can actually beat barack obama, given the economic climate in america right now appears to be increasing and improving quite markedly. >> it's what i call the romney effect. i think people are beginning to understand the governor might get elected and a lot of the aggressive entrepreneurs are starting to hire and spend money and invest. >> he's already having a positive effect on america. >> paradoxically, his success may be what makes it a much more difficult task for him to win. >> p.j., i did promise you the last word. i have to get you to jump in. go on. >> just that i think, you know, that the republican, probably romney, can beat obama, but it really will be a thumbs up-thumbs down judgment on the
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state of the american economy in the last four, three, four weeks before the november election. which is very sad, actually, because there are some big issues here on the table, some very important reasons to have this election and for it just to be -- for it to be determined by something that frankly the president can't do, the president is not in charge of the economy, in fact, one of the beauties of a free economy system is no one is in charge, no one person. >> on that bombshell, p.j., the no one is in charge bombshell, i have to leave it there. thank you very much. today, newt gingrich picked up a palin endorsement, but not the top palin. sarah palin has herself yet to endorse a candidate. two of newt gingrich's top supporters are his daughters,
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k kathy cushman and lubbers. >> thank you for having us on. >> i appreciate you being on. it's about time we had you on. we had the huntsman daughters on. are they your rivals in this race? >> not at all. we're all having a good time. i ran into them today. they're enjoying it with their father just like we are. >> tell me about your father. i've interviewed him a couple times now. he's obviously a very bright man. i get the sense he slightly boxed himself into this mr. nice guy thing and he's not really your dad, is he. what he really wants to do is eat raw meat, previous which mitt romney. >> i don't know about the mitt romney part. >> he likes his steak medium rare. he's providing a clear contrast between himself and other candidates. that's what you see going
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forward, very persistent about people thinking about who they will nominate to run against president barack obama and he's done these things on a national level and positive vision for the future. >> he keeps using this word "baloney" and now a website devoted to this. the baloney website. did your father always use the word baloney? is he a big fan of baloney? >> i'm a big fan of baloney. >> it's a funny little phrase but his point is we need to be very frank. the american people need to think very hard about who they nominate to run against president barack obama. i think in the last segment, you talked a little bit about the contrast. the contrast we need in the general election is a president who can't govern, can't pass a budget. and our father, newt gingrich who not only served as speaker but with a democratic president, reformed welfare, cut taxes and
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reduced spending and knows how to govern on a national level. >> let me put this to you. we have to wrap it here. he's also been a bit of a naughty boy in the past and people are using that baggage against him. he says he's a changed animal. has the leopard changed his spots, do you think? >> the great news about our father, he is a life-long lerner. he has converted to kat thol sirms, has his family completely behind him. my sister and i are behind him on the trail, love him and adore him. our husbands as well. being a grandfather has really enlightened him and broadened his horizons and he is wise. he has governed and will do well. close your eyes and imagine newt gingrich debating barack obama and you know who will win. >> ladies, thank you very much. >> our pleasure. >> a lot of president candidates and jack welch saying mitt romney is the most qualified from a business point of view
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the biggest issue in this campaign is the economy. and one man who knows the economy is jack welch. says mitt romney is the most qualified leader from a business point of view he's ever seen run for president. welcome back, jack. >> last time, you were pretty pro tim pawlenty. many people think if he stayed the distance and not bailed out so soon, he would actually be in a very good position. >> what i like about pawlenty, i don't know him, i don't know romney very well. in pawlenty's case, he had a vision of 5% growth rate. put that up there, put every policy in the country around making that 5% and you'll get real growth and get employment back. that's what we need. i liked that part of his campaign and wanted to take a good look at him on that basis. i think he might have had some runway if he stayed with it. we need a growth rate.
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>> mitt romney, you say from a presidential candidate point of view is the best you have ever seen. that's high praise. >> i'm talking about as a candidate. we never know what somebody will do when they get the big job, always a question. as a candidate, take john f. kennedy, nixon, go through them all, mitt romney has been to harvard law school, harvard business school. he went to bain consulting, first class company, built it, left to go to bain capital. consulting got in trouble, they brought him back and he fixed that. took it out of trouble for two years and brought it back. then he -- i was involved in the olympics in the 2002 one. we had bought it earlier, they were going down the drain, had a corruption scandal and they were going to cancel after 9/11. romney went out there, rallied everybody and got the olympics on track and they had a very successful olympics after 9/11.
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then he came back in a democratic state and took on a $500 million deficit and turned it into a $2 billion positive budget gain. so he's fixed all kinds of things. he's fixed olympics, consulting companies, he's fixed government. he has a great background, family. you pick one. >> two things i would say to you. i wouldn't dispute anything you said. i interviewed him twice. he's a very impressive man and i liked them personally. his track record is obviously very good. what his critics say is, take the bain period of his life, actually, he's a classic asset stripper, hire e-mam, fire em, clean them out, his comment, i like firing people, to his critics way too close to home. he did like firing people. that's what people in that game do? >> stop it.
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i'm not in that game. >> is he neutral mitt? >> no, you rascal, you pulled that out of the hat. in private equity, that -- let's take -- i talked to a "new york times" reporter today, he was talking like this, i said, look what any "new york times" just did, laid off all these reporters in this recession, went down to mexico and raised money from a mexican, brought it back, to try and stay afloat. private equity goes in, gets the company lean, gets the company lean, gets it to win, gets it to grow and people win. if you look at the record, it's been studied by harvard, private equity grows faster than any traditional big business sector in the economy does once they go through this restructuring piece. >> there was a young wise jack in the current climate with occupy wall street, was he unwise to use a phrase like "i like to fire people." >> look, he was using it in a
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totally different context. this is out of context beyond belief! out of context beyond belief! he was talking about his insurance company if they're not taking care of him in his health care problems. he likes to get rid of -- he was telling people, you'll have a choice, you'll have a choice with this plan and you'll be able to pick your own insurance company and be able to buy other insurance company you don't like. >> if he's as perfect as you think he is in almost every way, business-wise, family, everything, why is he unable to get his poll ratings any higher than that kind of 25% that he's been at now for months and months? why don't his own party see in him what you see? >> well, my wife saw this, when you see people that perfect, you're always wondering what is there that isn't quite right? in his case, i think he really is perfect. as a candidate for the president of the united states in these tough economic times in these
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global waters that are tough. look at that background. you can't pick a candidate, you can't challenge my statement for the last 50 years on a candidate, you can't do it. >> i suppose what some people will say, look, he kind of personifies american corporate business and right now, they're the people collectively, many of them, who got america into its financial mess. >> he was governor of a state that was democratic and he went across the aisle and got all these things done. he went to the olympics, which is not -- he fixed that by rallying people. he's a leader. he's not a manager. you're trying to pigeon hole him into a corporate manager. >> i'm saying what some of his critics say. i actually think a lot of what you are saying has merit. what i find be musing, many people do, why, given he on paper, looks to be such an ideal
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candidate, why wouldn't the republicans collectively racing to nominate him? why wouldn't they be getting behind him to take on obama because at the moment, they're not. >> this is early squirmishes. they will rally around and come to their senses and go with the right guy. this is the only answer. let's face it. we've got to grow. we've got to get jobs back. we can't keep throwing these regulatory burdens on the country. we have to get a businessman and a leader who's also been in the political front. >> we're talking of business leaders, i will now bring on somebody who may arguably be even more expert than you, jack, that is your wife, suzy, who by great coincidence, worked at bain under a certain mitt romney. she'll be fascinating, back after the break. when you have tough pain, do you want fast relief?
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a story of greed, playing the system for a quick buck. a group of corporate raiders led by mitt romney. more ruthless than wall street. for tens of thousands of americans, the suffering began when mitt romney came to town. >> just when you thought it was safe to watch campaign ads, that's the latest pro gingrich
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super pac ad, winning our future. we established a supporter, jack welch. getting a few tweets saying, wow, jack looks good. what's your secret? your secret just arrived, your wife, suzy. jack says romney is perfect in every way. you're the perfect person to ask, because you worked for him at bain. what's the reality behind the mist. >> when i see these ads by newt gingrich talking about how people began to lose their jobs when mitt romney came to town, it is such a stark contrast than what it was like to actually work at bain, there was this incredible almost bizarre rah-rah, go business, grow business. you were rated actually on your annual reviews or actually twice -- how you were with your client. it was keep your clients and get them to grow. >> was he ruthless? >> never in my experience
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ruthless. actually, quite the opposite. he was what you see now, sort of a boy scout. mitt is actually an old-fashioned person. you don't see that type any more. >> i got that sense when i interviewed him. he is quite old-fashioned in his values and the way he talks and his family. you don't get many politicians like him. i'd ask you the same question, why if the credentials seem so good and testimony from people who worked with him so positive and great business leaders rate him so highly. why is he not polling better and not wrapped up. >> people look at him and think it must be phony. that affect can't be real. nobody looks like that, has that beautiful family. there's something we're not seeing. this is the "jersey shore" culture. he's too good to be true. >> is it the flip-flopping, the fact on many issues he has
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undeniably flip-flopped? he hasn't been consistent. people say rick santorum has been gathering momentum and traction purely because he's consistent. whether you agree with him or not, he has stuck to the same principles every step of the way. you can't say that about mitt romney. >> no. he's certainly grown and changed his views on abortion and things like that. people do change their views. ronald reagan changed his views. i have changed my views. >> is it weakness or strength in a leader to do that? >> i think it's absolute strength. who wants some bullhead who gets a position at age 30 and stays with it until they put him in the box, end of game. you don't want that. you want somebody always learning, always growing, always thinking. i absolutely don't think that's a -- i think it's a great political argument. politicians can throw that at him. >> the big political ground is the economy, can hardly be
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anybody el anything else. you're the perfect thing to ask. on the face of it, the white house should be getting a little more excited. jobless figures improving, threat of double digit recession receding, europe is a basket case but the american economy would appear to be stabilizing, is that what you think? >> absolutely. i started saying that in august when it was in the tank and saying it all along and now it's gaining momentum. however, to look at this recovery in some other context, we have 200,000 jobs that had a huge celebration after 7 million people have lost their jobs. in ronald reagan's recovery, we were getting 900,000 to a million a month. piers, here's what's zboeg going to be the irony of this campaign. david axelrod and the president out there saying, yes, i spent a trillion dollars but if i didn't spend a trillion, we'd be at 11
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or 12% unemployment. >> is that true? >> i don't think so, because they spent it in a different way. let me go on with that. now, you have the republicans forced come this summer to say, yes, we have 3% growth, and, yes, we're getting economic jobs back, we could be doing five times better if you let us get in there and deregulate, the flip argument trying to prove the negative. >> isn't the problem for republicans trying to go, hang on a second, you're the guys that got us into this mess so why should we believe you? >> they have to face that and say we have a plan to grow this economy not at a tepid 2 1/2 or 3% or 3 1/2, we've got a plan to take us to 5% and 5% unemployment and here's how we're going to do it. we will have an energy policy that makes united states energy independent, go right down the list. they have to have a vision that sells that. we can have a vision that we don't have this massive 8% unemployment come november and
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be teetering along and they've got to be able to sell we know how to get it to 5. >> suzy, if you're barack obama, you've had a pretty rough three years, it really has been one of the toughest presidencies imaginable because he inherited this huge part that nobody disputes. has he done enough if you're being dispassionate about it, has he done enough to give him another run. >> i'm a republican so i don't think so. >> you seem like a fair-minded republican. >> wait a minute. there's an implication with that comment. >> opposed to some of our friends. >> i think at the end of the day, it actually doesn't matter because people end up voting on something quite different, vote on the humanity of the candidate. they say who do i trust more. >> does it matter if barack obama wins in a debate with mitt romney. people don't particularly warm to mitt romney and barack obama is a great campaigner and when
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he gets his gander up -- >> the problem is we know him more as a campaigner now. that worked the first time because all we knew was campaigner. you have technicrat versus technicrat, harvard law versus harvard business school and these two people's affect is similar and have a little bit of aloofness and feel both unknowable and why it's incumbent upon romney to share the stories of himself and those close to him know. i was with him in a room after the lockerbie plane crash some bain consultants gathered together, he had us gather together and prayed for the consultants for the people in this room, it was a terrible disaster. he will need surrogates or himself to show it. >> let's take a break after talking about the concept s of st. nick and the campaign ads of the super pac that has been ruthless. h as you age...
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i realize the red light doesn't mean anything to you because you're the front-runner. but can we drop a little bit of the pious baloney. >> if his rec was so greats as governor of massachusetts, why didn't he run for re-election.
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>> mitt romney drawing fire on a debate. a great tweet just came in. wow, suzy is looking gorgeous on piers morgan's show right now. i asked you, who is sophia grace? my daughter. that is nice. >> she's a good girl. >> my sons would tweet abuse about me. let's talk about the negativity that's come into this. i looked to american politics for years with a view people pretend they want it to be nice, they talk a good game about it being nice. isn't the harsh reality of an american presidential race, it always gets mean and nast city in the end, doesn't it? >> it always has been. this idea of polarization, go back to the founding fathers. this is a country that always has very heated positions on issues and will keep going on. >> what do you think of the sneakiness of this super pac
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system? it does seem to me to be very very sneaky. everybody knows romney supporters are behind his ones and gingrich's behind his. it's so transparent it actually defeats the whole purpose of saying you can't be involved in these things, doesn't it? >> this is what it has all come down to. they're super pacs. i'm no historian like newt gingrich. they used to have six hour debates where they throw mud at each other and this is what it has evolved into and they will find a way to get negative messages out or a secret twitter campaign. this is what partisanship is. >> jack, you've been one of the best businessmen in american history, a rough tough world you operated in as is politics, what is this kind of person you're looking for in a president right now to deal with the president right now, when you hear someone like donald trump, another hugely successful businessman, he wants somebody getting into china and opec and protecting businesses and bringing some
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back to the country. do you agree with it? >> part of it but i don't agree with the trade war with china right out of the barrel. i want to deal forcefully with china but i don't think it serves anybody's interest to get in trade wars. >> what is the number one priority to get the american economy properly back on track. if you were president, what would you be doing? >> i'd lighten up the regulations. i'd beingo put every regulation through 5% growth rate. things like this keystone, i'd do it. it would help growth. >> keystone, if america doesn't do it, someone like china will probably do it. >> if america doesn't do it, you've seen politics at its worst, at its worst, on the face of it, it's been studied 2 1/2 years, it was approved and now the politics come in. it's american politics at its worst. i'm not saying republicans might not do it in their interests, democrats are doing it now. >> i couldn't agree more. the last time you came on, we
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talked about your online mba program, jack welch institute. you're telling me you have an incredible take-up as a result of your appearance. >> it was wonderful. we hit a chord in a short time frame being on your show and the viewers were nice enough to check it out. we just had our first graduating class, 29 students in december. over 200 students. we're on a roll. >> fantastic. i hope you get an equally good pickup here. i hear you're now both going to collaborate again? is this true? >> we're back to writing a column again. we did it for 4 1/2 years. >> she writes it and i do it on the side. >> it was fun and we will do it again. >> who wears the trousers in this column writing gig? >> jack is the idea generator and i'm the conceptual editor. it actually works well. >> it's a nice back and forth. it's terrific. >> do you argue?
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>> we have spirited discussions. >> that's the -- that -- that's the fun of it. >> i would say 1 in 4 tweets here, jack, is not dwelling on your business prowess, dwelling on your prowess in persuading somebody like suzy to marry you. explain how you did this. >> it wasn't hard. >> i want to know the secret to that. >> she's just as good inside. >> how did you persuade her to marry you? >> my charm and probably my wallet. >> get out! >> suzy. is that heartless assessment true? >> we just really liked each other a ton and we went well together. it was 10 years ago. >> was it 10 years? >> 10 years. we had a little scandal at the beginning and it's been the greatest 10 years of our lives. >> obviously, you've come through, as you said, that scandal. newt gingrich is still carrying the baggage of some of his previous scandals in his relationships and stuff.
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should it matter or should we allow newt gingrich to draw a line, say i'm a changed man, i'm a grandfather now and i've found happiness and moved on, i'm not that man anymore. >> you'd like to do that. he has a different game than i have. i'm not running for office. >> should it matter. when you were running a big company like g.e. and had executives who behaved inappropriately and had marriage breakdowns, did it actually affect their work and shouldt matter anymore? >> that's a question i'll leave to you to answer. that's a tough question. >> suzy. >> everybody makes mistake, everybody has hard times in their lives. if we just had people perfect running for president, you couldn't have anybody run for president. i'm not a newt supporter. what's appealing about newt is he says, i would do things differently, i'm a changed man, i look back at those years and think about mistakes i made, not trying to defend -- >> and mad as hell. >> i agree. i think it's irrelevant because he has moved on from that, is a
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changed man and speaks like a changed man. i suspect the old newt will creep back out and hammer romney into the ground. thank you very much. >> when we come back, indy filmmaker ed burns, how he turned tweet into his latest movie.
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ed burns is a suburban guy made good. blockbuster in "saving private ryan" and the envy of man everywhere in his marriage to christie turlington and a filmmaker for $9,000. congratulations. >> thank you. >> first question off the bat. we just had jack welch describing his technique for wooing his beautiful wife with charm and his wallet. i interviewed your wife, christie turlington, one of the most beautiful women in history. which was it, charm or the wallet? >> i'm a guy making movies for $9,000. >> so the charm. in this economic climate, you've been able to make a movie for such a ridiculously low sum of money. why have you done this? >> there have been a couple of things happened in the last few
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years, the technological revolution that happened with digital cameras enabled us -- when i started with brothers mcmullen and made that movie for 25,000 you shot it on and old can 16 millimeter and looked like a cheap indy film. in the last few years, you had the red camera come out, pretty affordable. we shot this film on a cannon 5d, which is a still camera that also shoots video. i bought it at b & h for $2800. >> amazing. >> the film looks terrific. >> let's see a clip and test this theory. >> listen, i appreciate you trying to be my big brother. >> i'm not trying -- but you are being crazy. you talked yesterday -- >> i know, i know. it happened. things happen sometimes. i'm handling it. >> you're not handling. what you're doing is sleeping with my wife's ex-husband. >> no, i'm not. i'm not sleeping with him. i slept with him. there is a defensive. >> you just couldn't tell that
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was some cheap relatively cheap way av making a movie. >> the exciting thing is -- i go to film schools all the time and talk to kids, what's exciting, the playing field has been leveled. now, these kids can get in and make a great looking film. you know, that point of entry is so low. there isn't the economic hurdle anymore. >> you also used, very cleverly, i thought, social media, twitter in particular, to help with the script for the movie, basically paying for nothing, you big 28 wad. >> i've been very lucky with my twitter followers. >> them me how it worked. how did that work? >> i was coming up with the idea for the screen play, about a newlyweded couple on their second marriage, think they can stay above the fray, made the mistakes, and the second time around, something was going to happen to cause them to get to know one another in a real way. i tweeted out to my followers. what's the thing that happened in the first year of marriage you had the first big fight out,
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9 out of 10 tweets that came back to me had to do with a family member, my crazy sister crashed on my couch and we had to move in with my in-laws. from and i wrote the script accordingly. >> how will it fair this movie, do you think? >> the thing that's amazing is using social media to pub size the film. we did a digital distribution where it goes out on video on demand and certain companies, like comcast and time warner have done a great job recognizing that the indy audience doesn't go to the theatre like they used to. they're sitting home on their couch pen and itune is a major component. and seven days of release, we have already made the budget back times five or six. and now the $9,000 budget. the budget after pro-post production is $120,000.
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>> and you already made $500,000? >> just a little shy of that. that's a properly good business. this makes money. >> we did not expect it to do this. we did a movie last year that did nowhere near that. it did very well, but this has surprised everybody. >> the advantages is -- if it flops, who cares. it's a shame for you artistical artistically, but financially, you can do another one. >> we rook at it like this. we are an indy band. we're going to get together after work and rehearse. we'll cut the record, get it up on itune, keep your fingers crossed. and you do it for one reason, you love it and because you can. you make a film for $9,000, there isn't the studio head or the financeer standing over your shoulder as your collaborator and therefore making changes. you don't have the title of your film changed. you cast who you want. you use the music that you want. you now have full creative
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control. you have a blast in a business that had seen sde kleining pistons. and we never saw money, even when the movies did well. >> sylvester told us, out of rocky balboa, the sixth movie made well over $200 million. he never made any money on it. i was actually startled. but anyway, fascinating story. let's take a little break and come back with another fascinating story. your brother married your wife's sister. this has to be fraught with danger. [ nadine ] buzzzz, bzzzz, bzzzz, bzzzz,
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you know, typical alarm clock. i am so glad to get rid of it. just to be able to wake up in the morning on your own. that's a big accomplishment to me. i don't know how much money i need.
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but i know that whatever i have that's what i'm going to live within. ♪ ♪
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>> so come on in, you married christie turlington, which of itself is a fantastic thing and i apologize. your brother married his sister. i would be furious. >> afriday he might screw it up. fortunately it did not happen. >> was it in your mind it might? >> oh, yeah. i took him out fishing and i said brian, you have to be 100% sure of this. >> and two kids later, it's going great. >> do you go out together? >> oh, absolutely. all the time.
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there was some innocent flirtation and then the next thing you know, actually, at our wedding real sparks flew. >> that's a great story. is it unusual as it appears or do you meet other people everywhere. >> we'll constantly here from other people who said oh, that was our grandparents, or our aunt and uncle. but he has the rights to the script. >> is being married to christie turlington as great as i imagine it would be? >> yes, it is. that's all i would say. >> >> she's waking up next to ed burns. this is a marriage made in heaven. and you're making movies for $9,000 and making $500,000. >> do you watch movies yourself? >> i do.
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i'm a movie nut. but we have kids so i'm usually watching on netnetflix. >> whow do you fancy this year? >> wooi love woody allen so i always pull for him. "the decendents." >> i love george clooney. it wasn't just the normal hearthrob clooney. i thought it was a really challenging role. he was a vulnerable character. it's a fascinating thing to watch him do. >> you look at all the actors. look at what paul giamatti did in "sideways." nicholas in "about schmidt." >> will you be at the golden globes? >> i will not. >> so you'll be afraiding the ricky gervais roast? >> oh, yeah.
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>> do you laugh at the amount of sheer offense that he causes? >> i'm just gad glad i'm not there being the one being picked on. >> i think he's almost single handedly pricked the balloon of pomposity. the fact that he's been invited back now three times -- >> that's pretty incredible. >> he's kind of made american stars perhaps a little too pampered in recent years laugh at themselves again. >> i guess, yeah. i mean, clearly, they've invited him back. and it is the golden globes. it's not the oscars. i don't know if that would fly at the oscars. >> i would unleash him at the oscars. actors take themselves terribly serious. they do need a regular dose of gervais. could you take it? >> i think i could take taik a ribbing. i grew new a house where we made fun of each other all day and long night. >> if i was married to her, i could take a little


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